tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post111269888781521750..comments2023-10-14T19:15:50.202+08:00Comments on turo ni tito: why are there rules?rollyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09910653328930948032noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1117581789148599422005-06-01T07:23:00.000+08:002005-06-01T07:23:00.000+08:00I don't mean to offend anyone, but rules like this...I don't mean to offend anyone, but rules like this make me glad to live in the USA. This is the way I see it: I agree that there is no overwhelming, constructive reason to have long hair. But just because it isn't constructive doesn't mean that it shouldn't be allowed. If I was harming students and administators with my long hair, then it would be completely fair to force me to cut it. But I'm not hurting anyone, in fact, I have a 3.9 GPA in a college-prep curriculum with AP and Honors classes. I feel that something should only be banned if that prohibition would have a positive effect. But why does hair matter? It's irrelevant. Nothing is gained from forcing students to maintain a certain haircut. In fact, these strict, irrelevant rules, when imposed on naturally rebellious teens, have a negative effect. I was forced to wear uniforms in elementary school, and they distracted me from my studies. I put time into rebelling from the norm because I felt that the rules had no constructive basis and were arbitrary. Pointless rules increase rebellion. Instead of treating students like young adults who can make their own decisions, they are told how to wear their hair.<BR/><BR/>Another thought: "You can't control what other people do, just how you react to it." Students shouldn't have all distractions and challenges removed from their learning environment. Life is difficult, and kids have to get used to that. But those difficulties should make sense, be natural things that one would encounter in the world, not silly rules imposed arbitrarily.<BR/><BR/>Finally, I also think that this is a cultural issue as well. Here in the US, students can do whatever they want, maybe too much at times. But I'm glad we have those freedoms, it shows us how to handle ourselves in the world without being told what to do. I don't know much about South Asian culture, but I suspect it is vastly different from mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1115949905192867382005-05-13T10:05:00.000+08:002005-05-13T10:05:00.000+08:00Bugsybee Hay naku, sinabi mo pa. The hard part is ...<B>Bugsybee</B> Hay naku, sinabi mo pa. The hard part is when you are stuck between the student and the teacher, which sometimes happen. Yung student or the parent, sasabihin ang higpit mo o wala sa ayos yung rule, tapos, yung teacher naman, sasabihin, masyado kang lenient. Walang consistency and the likes... di bale, all in a day's work, ika nga. haay buhay.rollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910653328930948032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1115946632923216882005-05-13T09:10:00.000+08:002005-05-13T09:10:00.000+08:00Sorry that should have read " ... always think tha...Sorry that should have read " ... always think that when rules are imposed, these are necessarily infringements on their civil liberties."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1115946378079003422005-05-13T09:06:00.000+08:002005-05-13T09:06:00.000+08:00I can imagine how hard it is to be the prefect of ...I can imagine how hard it is to be the prefect of discipline. In my time (I retired last month), I made a lot of enemies when I tried to impose rules. Some people just do not appreciate discipline and sometimes cannot distinguish between discipline and freedom. They always seem to think that when rules are infringements on their constitutional liberties. Ang hirap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1115935126579882732005-05-13T05:58:00.000+08:002005-05-13T05:58:00.000+08:00Bugsybee Hi, Welcome to my space in cyberlandia. P...<B>Bugsybee</B> Hi, Welcome to my space in cyberlandia. Pahabol man o hindi, I welcome your comments. Especially knowing that your also in the academe. The real purpose of the post is to see what others think. When I was an adviser (high school)I was more lenient with the rules on long hair. But now that I am the prefect of discipline, I have to enforce them and para walang silipan, I try to impose them all. Minsan me lumulusot but I try to do the best I can.rollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910653328930948032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1115918770684911652005-05-13T01:26:00.000+08:002005-05-13T01:26:00.000+08:00Sorry - that comment was from me.Sorry - that comment was from me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1114441615435508052005-04-25T23:06:00.000+08:002005-04-25T23:06:00.000+08:00Sorry sir, that was me as anonymous. -pepseehSorry sir, that was me as anonymous. -pepseehRomeo Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954627744955937128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1114441524057511142005-04-25T23:05:00.000+08:002005-04-25T23:05:00.000+08:00Thank you sir for your response. One last question...Thank you sir for your response. One last question na lang. Very simple. <BR/><BR/>What is the ruling on trading cards (not ordinary playing cards)?<BR/><BR/>Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1114428621021517142005-04-25T19:30:00.000+08:002005-04-25T19:30:00.000+08:00Sorry guys that it took me so long to respond to y...Sorry guys that it took me so long to respond to your comments. I had been busy. Nevertheless, I hipe you still can get to read my response.<BR/><BR/><B>techguy</B> Alam ko na alam mo that there was once upon a time when we did sport long hair. Me mga schools na pwede ang long hair like UE, La Salle and UP yata. Natapos ito ng magkaron ng martial law. Atsaka hindi na naman masyadong uso ngayon. If only these kids could see how long our hair was before, lalo na siguro no? haha<BR/><BR/><B>AnP</B> good points you've raised together with the others. However, let's face it, hindi pa handa ang school authorities ng Philippine education to think this way. Medyo conservative pa rin. Actually, I wouldn't mind if the students sported long hair but hten, we are in a system. And yes, stereotyping as it may be, that's how we still think. Case in point, you will cringe. hehe Thank you for your inputs. <BR/><BR/><B>luchie</B> nicely said. I may have to use the "flexible" argument with Pepseeh in a latter comment he made, I believe the last comment on this thread. <BR/><BR/>While we're at it, on the other hand, there is also the consistency rule. There lies the dilemma of school administrators. If a student can get away with something simply because he/she needs understanding, how can we justify that to another where a sanction should be given. <BR/><BR/>Lastly, I never use force on the students. It is still up to them although, they should be man enough to face the consequences of their acts. <BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, thank you for your inputs.<BR/><BR/><B>Stefoodie</B> Thanks for coming over and commenting. In my school, it is our belief that the education of the young is a shared thing hence we call the parents our "partners". Ex. there may be reasons why a parent should not have stressed the importance of, say, brushing the teeth, but because we in school know the benefits of such, we take it upon ourselves to impart this kknowledge to the student. <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, in our legal system, the school has special parental authority. This is even higher than the "on loco parentis" clause because while the latter says schools exercise substitute parents, with the former, the parent has given full parental responsibility over the child. Thanks for your valuable insights. Appreciate them. Balik ka ulit ha. <BR/><BR/><B>Svelte Rogue</B> I agree with you a hundred percent. Nicely said and quite bluntly too. hehehe<BR/><BR/><B>Pepseeh</B> Hmmm, had i known Coby did that, do you think i wouldn't have forbidden him? When I accepted this position, I have talked with my children first and told them that I don't want any of them to get into trouble or else, there wouldn't be any need for an investigation but they will face the consequences outright. I know it's a little unfair but that goes with the territory.<BR/><BR/>Now, on your query about the principal... I cannot answer for him but I do have a guess. As one of the readers, a guidance counsellor at that, luchie, said that there are times when a little tolerance can be given the students. Maybe, the teachers or even the principal was using this formula. <BR/><BR/><B>Batjay</B> Funny as it may seem, mukhang that is one of the reasons. They do it to spite the authorities... Oh well...rollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910653328930948032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1114235956629452052005-04-23T13:59:00.000+08:002005-04-23T13:59:00.000+08:00ako bandido - kaya nung high school, nagpapalusot ...ako bandido - kaya nung high school, nagpapalusot sa long hair or waiting until the last moment to have a hair cut. bakit nga ba ganoon?<BR/><BR/>ginawa ata yang rules sa buhok para sa mga studyanteng tulad ko na gustong mag cat and mouse game sa school admin. looking back - i think nag enjoy rin ang mga teachers namin sa kakasaway sa amin as much as we enjoyed breaking the rules. <BR/><BR/>ang nakakainis lang, pwede nang mag long hair ngayon kahit kanggang pwet kaya lang hindi na uso mag long hair. a teacher's revenge...batjayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09451712854270007128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113752075702237062005-04-17T23:34:00.000+08:002005-04-17T23:34:00.000+08:00Sir, while you're still on the topic of rules, may...Sir, while you're still on the topic of rules, may I ask something of you?<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you're aware that your son Coby plays Magic: the Gathering cards. The thing is, we play these on campus, sometimes during break times, and somehow, when most teachers pass us by, they don't react. We're under the impression and we're fully aware that these things shouldn't be brought to school, but I have to ask, why do most teachers not react to us playing? Even Mr. Sagum himself saw us playing once but he didn't go over to our table and tell us off. Only a couple of teachers do tell us off, but we're still curious as to why no one else does. Can you give me any opinions on that? Thanks.Romeo Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954627744955937128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113738316165192302005-04-17T19:45:00.000+08:002005-04-17T19:45:00.000+08:00ang akin lang kasi, kung di mo maatim ang rules ng...ang akin lang kasi, kung di mo maatim ang rules ng skwela, get out! parang maybahay ka e. you want your rules to be followed in your house. if people just walked all over the place doing what they liked, sinong mahihirapan? e di ikaw!<BR/><BR/>as for academic freedom, i don't see how following rules curtails freedom.<BR/><BR/>one thing i learned is that in making particular choices, in this case keeping the hair short, i am more able to exercise my freedom. freedom isn't doing what you like; it's living more fully within choices made. this might be a bit off from the main contention of your blog, but i don't think it's fair naman to present a false dilemma na if you follow "restrictive" rules, curtailed na freedom mo.<BR/><BR/>minsan, kulang lang ng tolerance ang mga nalalapatan ng rules. kahit anong buga mo pa, you have to abide by rules. if you can't take them, find your own spot. or make your own school. *labyu tito rolly and that's no yolk*Svelte Roguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10758396951189135226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113692050030999272005-04-17T06:54:00.000+08:002005-04-17T06:54:00.000+08:00Hello, Tito Rolly, newbie ako dito, nakita ko ang ...Hello, Tito Rolly, newbie ako dito, nakita ko ang site mo sa mga food bloggers kaya naintriga ako, hope you don't mind my joining in the discussion. As a homeschooling mom of 4 in the US, here's my take on this : 1) the issue of whether kids should be allowed to grow their hair long or not should really be left up to the parents. as one poster said, one needs to choose his battles. i don't think in the grand scheme of things that a child following the "hair rules" that a school has in necessarily an indication of how successful or law-abiding he will be later on in life. maraming mukhang hippy d'yan n'ong mga '70's and '80's, mga rebelde n'ong high school pero ngayon ang titinong mga citizen. 2) there are a lot of rules a school should have and enforce, i.e., paying attention attention in class, following deadlines, etc. this is where school officials should "crack down" kung may mga rebelde. after all, parents send their kids to your school to ensure that they get a good education. 3) oo nga, education is not just about academics, it's also about character-building, but i think dito maraming magulang, eskuwelahan at gubiyerno na nagkakamali. certain things should be left for the parents to inculcate in their child: good grooming is one of them. e.g., kung ang magulang hindi tinuruan mag-sepilyo ang anak nila, is it now the school's duty to tell the child to brush his teeth? or to take a bath? para ke pa naging magulang ang magulang kung eskuwela ang aasahan nilang magturo ng mga bagay na ito sa kanilang anak? the problem is there has been too much blurring esp. in the past 15 years or so about the role that each institution (family, church, school, government) plays in the difficult job of raising a child. as a result, pare-parehong lito -- parents do not exercise enough authority over their children and expect the schools to do their job, the schools think it is "their" job to take-over the parent's role kasi nakikita nilang hindi ginagawa, the government thinks it is now time to step in and put all of this into the law. the fact is, we are educated by our intimacies. where we spend most of our time is where we get a REAL education. ideally, that place is in the home. (sorry mahaba, i tried to keep it short pero madaldal kasi ako:-(.... and got in trouble for it when i was in school)Stefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823834328305424159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113610779938685562005-04-16T08:19:00.000+08:002005-04-16T08:19:00.000+08:00Rolly, I would like to share what is on my mind.Th...Rolly, I would like to share what is on my mind.<BR/>The concept of putting down rules by outlining expectations and setting limitations is a fundamental one. parents, teachers and other disciplinarians in charge of guiding a child's behaviour should be on constant lookout for ways to help the child to behave according to these "RULES".<BR/>Very few children intentionally act in an inappropriate manner.Parents and teachers need to remember that children are constantly exploring and experimenting with situation and environments. Inevitably, they will make mistakes.<BR/>At times, misbehaviour occurs on the spur of the moment. at other times, it occurs out of anger, fear, malice or some other emotional trigger. many children misbehave as a means of getting attention.Every child needs help in breaking the pattern of inappropriate behaviour. There are a lot of help we could do. One is by being flexible with discipline methods. There is no "one-fits-all" when it ways to instructing children. we must remember that children are individuals and have different personalities, levels of understanding and tempers.<BR/>I can add that the use of force or fear to get a child to behave is not a recommended method. Children these days need to understand the "WHY" behind the "NO".<BR/>I used the term children as persons aged 18 and below are considered children.<BR/>napahaba na yata. good morning and thank you sa comment mo sa site ko.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113574044867548362005-04-15T22:07:00.000+08:002005-04-15T22:07:00.000+08:00School rules are important because they tell us ho...School rules are important because they tell us how to act, give us directions, set standards for everyone, and instill discipline. <BR/><BR/>However, shouldn't school rules be relevant -- what values you want to teach the kids? In my opinion, hair could be part of grooming BUT it's length is irrelevant. <BR/><BR/>If it's the tidiness issue... well, if women can have long hair and look nice, so can men. <BR/><BR/>If it's because some liken them to hoodlums or whatever-- isn't that another form of stereotyping? Wouldn't that be akin to superficial classification (by looks)? Diba, that's exactly what we should aim to NOT teach our kids?<BR/><BR/>If my lil JP would choose later in his life to sport long hair, I would cringe but I would let him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113490121494621332005-04-14T22:48:00.000+08:002005-04-14T22:48:00.000+08:00siguro hindi pa handa ready ang pinas sa mga long ...siguro hindi pa handa ready ang pinas sa mga long hair long hair...hehehe..pero para sa akin mas maganda ang clean cut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113479027552340092005-04-14T19:43:00.000+08:002005-04-14T19:43:00.000+08:00Doc Emer I see your point even before you posted t...<B>Doc Emer</B> I see your point even before you posted this. And yes, it may seem to be the norm right now. But should it be so? When do we start? We got to start somewhere, and I say let's do it now! cheers!rollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910653328930948032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113478899518658232005-04-14T19:41:00.000+08:002005-04-14T19:41:00.000+08:00Sassy Thanks for your inputs. First and foremost...<B>Sassy</B> Thanks for your inputs. <BR/><BR/>First and foremost, the real purpose of the haircut policy is to teach the students good grooming. Somehow, the clean cut is still the norm for good grooming, isn't it? The issue on instilling discipline comes after. If a high school student should defy this policy, wouldn't it be right for us to impose it? <BR/><BR/>Doesn't this have anything to do with learning? In our country where rules "are meant to be broken" I dare say learning how to follow them is an experience we have to undergo. <BR/><BR/>At any rate, I didn't make the rules but it is my duty to enforce them and I will stand firmly on my ground taht I will simply because I have reason to believe there is learning to be had from this.rollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910653328930948032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113416952203710952005-04-14T02:29:00.000+08:002005-04-14T02:29:00.000+08:00Pahabol kay Joyce:On the concept of the "common go...<B>Pahabol kay Joyce</B>:<BR/><BR/><I>On the concept of the "common good"</I>: Sorry po, pero I do not think a "common good" exists. Perspective at self-interest lang naman palagi, di ba? For better or for worse.<BR/><BR/><I>On "incorrigible deviants" defying rules</I>: I believe the deviants have psychological problems, and for teachers/schools to help, they must at least have some understanding of the psychologic foundations of the problem. As it is, not all our schools are equipped to handle these problems.Dr. Emerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02407128557937763280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113415973912933882005-04-14T02:12:00.001+08:002005-04-14T02:12:00.001+08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dr. Emerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02407128557937763280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113415973840549162005-04-14T02:12:00.000+08:002005-04-14T02:12:00.000+08:00To Tito Rolly and Joyce: Let me assure you that my...To <B>Tito Rolly</B> and <B>Joyce</B>: <BR/><BR/>Let me assure you that my comments had nothing to do with putting down the roles of schools and teachers. My point is realistic. I mean, schools and teachers have been around for years, but the story remains the same --- everyday we see a lot of people breaking rules "as if it were the norm." <BR/><BR/>When I said that rules are for the immature and the irresponsible, I meant that there will be <B>no need for rules</B> if everyone just understood first what the consequences of following such rules are --- which is Sassy's point, I think.<BR/><BR/>If you knew that throwing garbage anywhere can cause floods and diseases, then you wouldn't be caught littering at any time. <BR/><BR/>If you knew that beating a red light endangers your life and those of others, then you'd probably slow down to a stop when you see yellow, right?<BR/><BR/>But these scenarios do not happen. Of course, there are a handful who follow (myself included and maybe the two of you), but they are outnumbered by the rule-breakers. <BR/><BR/>Now, must we blame the teachers and schools for spawning a population of rule/law-breakers? No. <BR/><BR/>Molding a mindset and the right attitude begins at a very early age, and there are <A HREF="http://www-students.biola.edu/~jay/psy-mahlervstern.html" REL="nofollow">numerous studies</A> saying that personality development in humans begins even before kids go to school. <BR/><BR/>I think the crucial time which will tell if a kid will be a "rule-breaker" or "rule-follower" lies on the years <B>before</B> the kid reaches school. When they reach school, almost 80-90% of their personalities are already cemented. Teachers can only suggest at best. And when the going gets tough --- when you impose your rules --- you will observe that those with personality problems are likely to get into trouble while those who had a nurtured psychological development are usually courteous and obedient.<BR/><BR/>Which finally brings us to my point: the real burden in personality development lies with the <B>parents</B>. <BR/><BR/>Discussing that would mean another post, I think. Ito pa nga lang sinabi ko dito, ang haba na. Whew! Cheers, Tito Rolly. =)Dr. Emerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02407128557937763280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113411715341542152005-04-14T01:01:00.000+08:002005-04-14T01:01:00.000+08:00Sandali, sandali... parang which came first the ch...Sandali, sandali... parang which came first the chicken or the egg...<BR/><BR/>First, is discipline really the issue? When we talk about discipline, we impose rules that are meant to lead to some pre-defined goals. It isn't right to impose a rule for the sake of having it followed. That's not a rational goal. That's a control thing.<BR/><BR/>So, when you say follow the haircut rule because it is part of learning about discipline, isn't that putting the cart before the horse? I think one has to establish first what it is that is sought to be achieved. As in, ano ba masama sa long hair aside from the fact that it violates a school rule? What is rationale for the school rule in the first place. If anyone can establish a direct relation between long hair and disruptive behavior, I will retract my arguments. But there is no such relation. It is a mere perception because of the association of long hair with the hippies of the 60s and the 70s and their pot-smoking culture. Maryosep, lipas na yung panahon na yun, we're still insisting that long hair means deviance in that sense?Sassy Lawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10217241296299367050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113393011028389082005-04-13T19:50:00.000+08:002005-04-13T19:50:00.000+08:00Mec Amen to all your points. Justice Precisely! I ...<B>Mec</B> Amen to all your points. <BR/><BR/><B>Justice</B> Precisely! I cannot imagine a world where nobody follows the rules. Chaotic, diba?<BR/><BR/><B>Bing aka juliet</B> It would be my honor. I'm also going to link you up when i have time. And i'm still waiting for youto resend that email. I'll respond, promise :-)<BR/><BR/><B>pepseeh</B> When you grow up, you will realize that patience is a virtue. heherollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09910653328930948032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113231929216579502005-04-11T23:05:00.000+08:002005-04-11T23:05:00.000+08:00hehe i knew you wouldn't. this question has been b...hehe i knew you wouldn't. this question has been burning in the music section's minds for quite some time after card distributions. :P<BR/><BR/>guess i'll have to wait until they put the class lists up.Romeo Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954627744955937128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6997428.post-1113223246164891962005-04-11T20:40:00.000+08:002005-04-11T20:40:00.000+08:00i hope you don't mind my putting a link to you on ...i hope you don't mind my putting a link to you on my page...binghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979600222673760687noreply@blogger.com